tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696346241292749348.post1848427715377292258..comments2024-03-06T14:41:03.515+05:30Comments on Names, Places, Events, Things: Ruminations and Essays on Hindu Mythology: 38: Mythical Timeline of DashavatarasWandering Nomadhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02035235619230514931noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696346241292749348.post-66118193725475373182017-09-19T11:50:17.560+05:302017-09-19T11:50:17.560+05:30Richu - I am not sure if there is anyone qualified...Richu - I am not sure if there is anyone qualified to address this question. The actual historical timeline of Hindu scriptures is a matter of much debate and deliberation even among Indologists, and I am a common reader / writer, not a subject matter expert - and you have to make several assumptions (the first being that the incidents in the stories actually happened). In any case, it was not the point of my original post. The point was to show some linear narrative in the otherwise cyclical structure of Hindu mythosphere. Hope you found that interesting. Peace, Shreekant Wandering Nomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02035235619230514931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696346241292749348.post-52532361669227370842017-08-16T19:04:10.823+05:302017-08-16T19:04:10.823+05:30Hi can you give me the approx BC/AD Years for refe...Hi can you give me the approx BC/AD Years for reference with this topic.. it will be a great help.. please.. You can mail me @ info.richu@gmail.comAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05520132447302007451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696346241292749348.post-88254431196645840442017-06-12T01:28:51.360+05:302017-06-12T01:28:51.360+05:30Vedant, that sounds like a good plan. Only that mo...Vedant, that sounds like a good plan. Only that most sources consider Matysa to be the first avatar. But your comment is a different perspective too. Keep writing. Best, S.Wandering Nomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02035235619230514931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696346241292749348.post-13794975985405136122017-05-11T15:39:52.955+05:302017-05-11T15:39:52.955+05:30Hello Shreekant, Wonderful post!
While the Dashava...Hello Shreekant, Wonderful post!<br />While the Dashavataras we know in an order which you posted, they did not came to be in the same order.<br />Looking into the Manvantaras and Kalpas, we know that the current Kalpa (A day of Brahma) is called Shwet Varah Kalpa, because Varah was actually the first avatar. I will post below what I think the order is chronologically.<br />1. Varah - The Earth was submerged into the primeval waters by Hiranyaksha and it was rescued by Varah, hence the start of the new Kalpa is called Shwet Varah Kalpa.<br />2. Narsimha - Since Hiranyaksha and Hiranyakashipu were brothers, it is natural for a brother to take revenge. And as soon as Hiranyaksha was killed, I guess Hiranyakashipu went on to perform a penance that would grant him the boon.<br />3. Kurma - Now, we know the Samudra Manthan happened with the Asuras and Devas coming together. Asuras were lead by Bali, and Bali being the great grandson of Hiranyakashipu, it is quite well plausible that this happened over many centuries.<br />4. Vaman - We know from the Vedas that Trivikrama and Vaman are the same, so following the story from Vedas, Bali must have ruled the 3 worlds after the Samudra Manthan and that is how Vaman avatar came into being.<br />5. Matsya - Matsya avatar helped Vaivasvat Manu from the great deluge. Vaivasvat Manu is the 7th Manu. Varah Kalpa started with Swayambhu Manu.<br />6. Parshuram - Parshuram was technically the first human avatar (if we consider Vaman as Trivikrama, it is another form of Vishnu) In Treta Yuga.<br />7. Ram - We know the account of Parshuram meeting Ram in Ramayan and we know Ramayan happened in 24th Chaturyuga.<br />8. Krishna - Though Parshuram marks his presence in this avatar too, he is known to be a Chiranjeevi. Mahabharat is supposed to have happened in 28th Chaturyuga (the current one)<br />9. Buddha - We have historical proves of his existence, and it is a later addition into the Avatars of Vishnu.<br />10. Kalki - Which is yet to happen.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13608936067532476206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696346241292749348.post-69302384966142122612015-04-19T19:00:02.676+05:302015-04-19T19:00:02.676+05:30Excellent question Aji. I think it would depend on...Excellent question Aji. I think it would depend on what you consider as the land created by Parashurama. Please see my earlier posts on him - "Chiranjeevi 3" and "How Chitpavan Brahmins got their name". <br /><br />Typically 'Parashurama Bhoomi" is considered to be the current land of Konkan. This is the 30-mile wide stretch along the Western Ghats to the WEST. There was always the peninsula descending in the South, but the warrior seer seems to have stretched its width, not length. So Kerala was there already in the South. But a new land of Malabar and Kokan could have got created due to Rama's intervention.Wandering Nomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02035235619230514931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696346241292749348.post-13308836016780559352015-04-18T14:45:32.764+05:302015-04-18T14:45:32.764+05:30I have one doubt. Vamana was the fifth avatar who...I have one doubt. Vamana was the fifth avatar who approached Bali. Bali was the ruler of Kerala. But it was told that Kerala was created by Parashurama who was the sixth avatar. How is it possible ajimp.blogspot.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05056967048523101306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696346241292749348.post-49644167636645966722013-09-14T23:38:16.185+05:302013-09-14T23:38:16.185+05:30Hi Shreekant,
feel very happy reading these posts...Hi Shreekant,<br /><br />feel very happy reading these posts and that there are fellow Indians who would indulge in these "mythical" fantasies as many like to believe them to be.<br /><br />One thing though.. I would urge you to read a book called 'The Holy Science' written by Sri Yukteswarji, Guru of the Sri Paramahansa Yogananda the author of Autobiography of a Yogi. This book gives a bold and honest view on how the yuga system were corrupted at the end of the Dwapara / beggining of the Kali Yuga primarily due to many high vedic scholars of the Pandava court renouncing all and walking away with the Pandavas towards the end. Later priests, who were nt so bright, couldnt come to terms with the fact that they were facing the onslaught of kali age and thus interpreted the Yugas in the devas year instead of normal human years as is applicable to our loka/dimension. This leads to the number of years as currently given by many texts. Human life is monitored by human laws and human years, not devic years.The Yogihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11134563891215604170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696346241292749348.post-33483592946760231832012-07-26T13:37:40.808+05:302012-07-26T13:37:40.808+05:30Shree & Naveen,
I enjoyed the blog written by ...Shree & Naveen,<br />I enjoyed the blog written by you Shree and the little known but "once-you-realize-it-its-so-obvious" fact of No. 10 by naveen... just one small thing i would like to add to naveens opinion on 9 avtaars excluding Buddha,. I agree to the fact, how ever i wouldn't consider mohini in it, because in the Krita Yuga, as you said there are four avataar viz., Matsya, Kurma, Varaha & Narsimha. And mohini's avtaar is placed alongside Kurma during the great churning of the sea.<br />But what i would like you guys to give me an opnion on my theory that MAYBE Matsya was an avtaar of the last Kali Yuga???? Because he is the only avtaar (except the yet to come Kalki) that "preserves" the pious & non-corrupted mankind from total annihilation! So if we remove the two avtaars (Matsya & Buddha) we can replace them with Mohini & Balram respectively. So what do you guys think??Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03172051422310224913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696346241292749348.post-64148422820637718412012-05-23T15:19:23.154+05:302012-05-23T15:19:23.154+05:30Considering the life spans of humans n the krita y...Considering the life spans of humans n the krita yuga (100,000 years), the four avatars there can be spaced wide enough, not just 100-150 years.<br />a lot of people seem to have turned up to your blog because of chiranjeevis. Including me :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03694715592170055261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696346241292749348.post-2886322798300055862012-04-10T01:12:50.424+05:302012-04-10T01:12:50.424+05:30Naveen,
Thanks for your excellent comment and ins...Naveen,<br /><br />Thanks for your excellent comment and insight. As I said earlier, Buddha is clearly a new addition. It is quite ironic that for the man who spent his life fighting the basic idol worship was himself idolized after his death. Not only that, he was brought in the same line as that of Vishnu by adding him as the 9th Avatar.<br /><br />In most cases Balaram and Krishna make it up to 9 Avatars already, and we are left with Kalki Bhagwan in the Kali-yug.<br /><br />There is a temple of Kalki in Jaipur, right across the famous Hawa mahal. Kalki's white winged horse in this temple has a gap in his hind hoof. It is said that slowly and steadily this gap is getting filled, and once it fills completely, Kalki Bhagwan will reveal himself and destroy the evil from this world.<br /><br />So I tend to visit this temple whenever I am in Jaipur, just to check if the gap is still there or has got filled - you never know! It is always better to be prepared :)<br /><br />Best<br />ShreekantWandering Nomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02035235619230514931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696346241292749348.post-62068432484042046562012-04-09T22:06:32.558+05:302012-04-09T22:06:32.558+05:30Shree,
Love your Blog.. Love the info in it. Came...Shree,<br /><br />Love your Blog.. Love the info in it. Came across it while browsing for 'Chiranjeevis' of the creation' and read it fully since.<br /><br />I have one small observation though, if you are open to it.<br /><br />As you know, Hinduism and Numerology are intertwined so beautifully, that one can not tell one from the other. I am ofcourse, in awe of you understanding of the timelines about Kalpas, Manavatras, yuga sandhis that you have so wonderfully mentioned in your other posts.<br /><br />But if you look at them carefully, assuming the age of kaliyuga to be 1, Dwarapa's age is 2, Treta's age is 3 and the first or the Krita Yuga's age is 4.<br /><br />Similarly Dharma had 4 legs in Krita yuga, 3 in Treta, 2 in Dwapara and wobbling pathetically on one leg in the current Kaliyuga.<br /><br />Anything and Everything in hinduism, is either directly or conversely related to the number 10.<br /><br />Similar is the case of the 10 Prajapathis ( the topic on which you went to, in beautiful depths) and also the 10 avatars.<br /><br />Coming to Dasavathars, It is said, that 4 took place is Krita Yug, 3 in Treta, 2 in Dwapara and 1 in Kaliyug ( yet to be, I think!!)<br /><br />By that theory, Kaliyuga cannot have 2 avatars, for it cannot bear the lord twice in Kaliyuga (the era of sin).<br /><br />In the earlier versions of Dasavataara, Either MOhini or Balarama were listed as one of the avatars, like you mentioned in your post. Buddha was clearly a later or a relatively modern addition, keeping in mind its popularity and/ or since the basic principles of buddhism were offshoots of Hinduism. <br /><br />Any thoughts?<br /><br />-- NaveenNaveenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16039403367293477090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696346241292749348.post-50166201987790363692012-04-09T22:05:21.003+05:302012-04-09T22:05:21.003+05:30Shree,
Love your Blog.. Love the info in it. Came...Shree,<br /><br />Love your Blog.. Love the info in it. Came across it while browsing for 'Chiranjeevis' of the creation' and read it fully since.<br /><br />I have one small observation though, if you are open to it.<br /><br />As you know, Hinduism and Numerology are intertwined so beautifully, that one can not tell one from the other. I am ofcourse, in awe of you understanding of the timelines about Kalpas, Manavatras, yuga sandhis that you have so wonderfully mentioned in your other posts.<br /><br />But if you look at them carefully, assuming the age of kaliyuga to be 1, Dwarapa's age is 2, Treta's age is 3 and the first or the Krita Yuga's age is 4.<br /><br />Similarly Dharma had 4 legs in Krita yuga, 3 in Treta, 2 in Dwapara and wobbling pathetically on one leg in the current Kaliyuga.<br /><br />Anything and Everything in hinduism, is either directly or conversely related to the number 10.<br /><br />Similar is the case of the 10 Prajapathis ( the topic on which you went to, in beautiful depths) and also the 10 avatars.<br /><br />Coming to Dasavathars, It is said, that 4 took place is Krita Yug, 3 in Treta, 2 in Dwapara and 1 in Kaliyug ( yet to be, I think!!)<br /><br />By that theory, Kaliyuga cannot have 2 avatars, for it cannot bear the lord twice in Kaliyuga (the era of sin).<br /><br />In the earlier versions of Dasavataara, Either MOhini or Balarama were listed as one of the avatars, like you mentioned in your post. Buddha was clearly a later or a relatively modern addition, keeping in mind its popularity and/ or since the basic principles of buddhism were offshoots of Hinduism. <br /><br />Any thoughts?<br /><br />-- NaveenNaveenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16039403367293477090noreply@blogger.com